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1996 Pontiac firebird not starting

Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

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  1. admin says:

     <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    >Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
    >in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
    >and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
    >the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
    >plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
    >great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

    Umm… have you measured the battery voltage?  Have you tried charging
    the battery up and seeing what the battery voltage is with the vehicle
    running?  Or do you just want to keep swapping parts out constantly until
    you wind up with a brand new car one piece at a time?
    –scott

    "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

  2. admin says:

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    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    > <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    > >Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
    > >in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
    > >and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
    > >the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
    > >plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
    > >great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

    > Umm… have you measured the battery voltage?  Have you tried charging
    > the battery up and seeing what the battery voltage is with the vehicle
    > running?  Or do you just want to keep swapping parts out constantly until
    > you wind up with a brand new car one piece at a time?
    > –scott
    > —
    > "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    As of right now, the car will not run.

  3. admin says:

    On 15 Nov 2006 14:47:26 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

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    >Scott Dorsey wrote:
    >> <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    >> >Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
    >> >in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
    >> >and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
    >> >the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
    >> >plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
    >> >great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

    >> Umm… have you measured the battery voltage?  Have you tried charging
    >> the battery up and seeing what the battery voltage is with the vehicle
    >> running?  Or do you just want to keep swapping parts out constantly until
    >> you wind up with a brand new car one piece at a time?
    >> –scott
    >> —
    >> "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    >As of right now, the car will not run.

    So?  Scott already told you in a *polite* way to measure your battery
    voltage.  Your distress isn’t going to go away until you _move_ on
    this idea.  Just thinking about it doesn’t do anything.  If it did, I
    would be a millionaire by now.

    Lg

  4. admin says:

    Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.

    On Nov 15, 7:25 pm, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glick…@comcast.net>
    wrote:

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    > On 15 Nov 2006 14:47:26 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    > >Scott Dorsey wrote:
    > >> <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    > >> >Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
    > >> >in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
    > >> >and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
    > >> >the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
    > >> >plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
    > >> >great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

    > >> Umm… have you measured the battery voltage?  Have you tried charging
    > >> the battery up and seeing what the battery voltage is with the vehicle
    > >> running?  Or do you just want to keep swapping parts out constantly until
    > >> you wind up with a brand new car one piece at a time?
    > >> –scott
    > >> —
    > >> "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    > >As of right now, the car will not run.So?  Scott already told you in a *polite* way to measure your battery
    > voltage.  Your distress isn’t going to go away until you _move_ on
    > this idea.  Just thinking about it doesn’t do anything.  If it did, I
    > would be a millionaire by now.

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  5. admin says:

    Lawrence Glickman  <Lawrence_Glick…@comcast.net> wrote:

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    >On 15 Nov 2006 14:47:26 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:
    >>Scott Dorsey wrote:
    >>> <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    >>> >Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
    >>> >in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
    >>> >and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
    >>> >the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
    >>> >plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
    >>> >great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

    >>> Umm… have you measured the battery voltage?  Have you tried charging
    >>> the battery up and seeing what the battery voltage is with the vehicle
    >>> running?  Or do you just want to keep swapping parts out constantly until
    >>> you wind up with a brand new car one piece at a time?

    >>As of right now, the car will not run.

    If you charge the battery, WILL it run?

    Of course, maybe the battery is already charged.  If you don’t measure
    the battery voltage, you don’t know.

    >So?  Scott already told you in a *polite* way to measure your battery
    >voltage.  Your distress isn’t going to go away until you _move_ on
    >this idea.  Just thinking about it doesn’t do anything.  If it did, I
    >would be a millionaire by now.

    My ability to remain polite is starting to fray.
    –scott


    "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

  6. admin says:

     <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    >Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    >night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    >it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    >but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    >ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.

    If the battery will not hold a charge, the battery is bad.

    Now, you’re saying this is a brand new battery, right?  How did a brand
    new battery get bad?  Maybe you just got a bum battery.  Maybe your
    alternator is overcharging it.  The voltmeter will tell you the answer.

    The voltmeter is your friend.
    –scott


    "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

  7. admin says:

    You are describing a bad connection on one of the battery cables if the
    boost won’t work or a ‘really’ dead battery with a short in a cell.

    Most folks forget that battery cables have 2 ends.  When one end is
    dirty, the other end is suspect too.  The negative at the block is a
    sneaky one.

    With a dirty battery cable connection, the battery won’t get a good
    charge to ‘hold’.

    Even with a dead alternator a boost should work.  If you think the
    alternator is shorted which usually makes smoke, you can unhook the
    alternator and try boosting again.

    Mike
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    puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    > Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    > night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    > it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    > but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    > ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.

    > On Nov 15, 7:25 pm, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glick…@comcast.net>
    > wrote:
    > > On 15 Nov 2006 14:47:26 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    > > >Scott Dorsey wrote:
    > > >> <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    > > >> >Hi, I have another problem with another car!!!  When you  turn the key
    > > >> >in the ignition, the car won’t start.  It just makes a clicking noise
    > > >> >and that’s it.  We think it might be the alternator.  We have replaced
    > > >> >the battery just a few weeks ago, and 2 years ago we replaced the spark
    > > >> >plugs and some coils (I believe).  Any help on this would be
    > > >> >great!!!!!!!  Thanks.

    > > >> Umm… have you measured the battery voltage?  Have you tried charging
    > > >> the battery up and seeing what the battery voltage is with the vehicle
    > > >> running?  Or do you just want to keep swapping parts out constantly until
    > > >> you wind up with a brand new car one piece at a time?
    > > >> –scott
    > > >> —
    > > >> "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    > > >As of right now, the car will not run.So?  Scott already told you in a *polite* way to measure your battery
    > > voltage.  Your distress isn’t going to go away until you _move_ on
    > > this idea.  Just thinking about it doesn’t do anything.  If it did, I
    > > would be a millionaire by now.

    > > Lg- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

  8. admin says:

    On 16 Nov 2006 06:19:29 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    >Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    >night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    >it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    >but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    >ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.

    Could be, but until we read the voltage at the battery, we won’t know.

    A fully charged *normal* battery will read 12.6 volts DC with the
    engine OFF.

    IF the alternator is good, with the engine running you should read
    something like 14.2 volts at the battery terminals.

    If you can’t get the vehicle started with a *jump,* that means there
    might be a different problem…it could be a starter issue.

    But first, before anything else, please read the battery voltage with
    the engine Off, which is all you can do anyhow at the moment, and post
    the voltage reading to the newsgroup here.

    Thank You.

    Lg

  9. admin says:

    Okay, with the engine off (because the damn thing won’t start anyways)
    the battery needle is not barley moving, which it is staying on 8.
    When I try to turn it on, it’s making like a clicking noise, almost
    like the sound of a machine gun.  The radio is not working also.

    On Nov 16, 12:39 pm, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glick…@comcast.net>
    wrote:

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    > On 16 Nov 2006 06:19:29 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    > >Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    > >night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    > >it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    > >but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    > >ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.Could be, but until we read the voltage at the battery, we won’t know.

    > A fully charged *normal* battery will read 12.6 volts DC with the
    > engine OFF.

    > IF the alternator is good, with the engine running you should read
    > something like 14.2 volts at the battery terminals.

    > If you can’t get the vehicle started with a *jump,* that means there
    > might be a different problem…it could be a starter issue.

    > But first, before anything else, please read the battery voltage with
    > the engine Off, which is all you can do anyhow at the moment, and post
    > the voltage reading to the newsgroup here.

    > Thank You.

    > Lg

  10. admin says:

    Yes brand new battery.

    On Nov 16, 9:45 am, klu…@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

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    >  <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    > >Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    > >night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    > >it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    > >but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    > >ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.If the battery will not hold a charge, the battery is bad.

    > Now, you’re saying this is a brand new battery, right?  How did a brand
    > new battery get bad?  Maybe you just got a bum battery.  Maybe your
    > alternator is overcharging it.  The voltmeter will tell you the answer.

    > The voltmeter is your friend.
    > –scott

    > —
    > "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

  11. admin says:

     <puffbal…@charter.net> wrote:
    >Okay, with the engine off (because the damn thing won’t start anyways)
    >the battery needle is not barley moving, which it is staying on 8.
    >When I try to turn it on, it’s making like a clicking noise, almost
    >like the sound of a machine gun.  The radio is not working also.

    Okay, now get a voltmeter and measure the voltage across the battery.

    If you read 13V across the battery, BUT you only see 8V on the dashboard
    meter, there is a bad connection somewhere.

    If you read 8V across the battery as well, then the battery is dead.
    Put the battery on a charger.  Does it read properly after a few hours
    on the charger?

    If it does not read properly after a few hours on the charger, the battery
    is bad and should be replaced.  THEN you need to figure out why it went
    bad, since it’s pretty new.

    If it DOES read properly after a few hours on the charger, and the car
    starts with the battery charged, THEN you definitely have an alternator
    related issue.

    Before doing ANYTHING you need to take the first step and read the battery
    voltage with a voltmeter.  The voltmeter is the most fundamental piece of
    test equipment available.  It’s what cavemen used to debug fire with.  The
    voltmeter is your friend.
    –scott

    "C’est un Nagra.  C’est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

  12. admin says:

    On 19 Nov 2006 14:14:43 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    >Okay, with the engine off (because the damn thing won’t start anyways)
    >the battery needle is not barley moving, which it is staying on 8.
    >When I try to turn it on, it’s making like a clicking noise, almost
    >like the sound of a machine gun.  The radio is not working also.

    Then…that says your battery doesn’t have enough electrical energy to
    engage the starter motor and turn the flywheel ( which is connected to
    the crankshaft by a moving gear ).  8 volts indicates a discharged
    battery.

    So…that means the vehicle will _never_ start unless you have a
    battery voltage of at least 12.2 volts.  There just isn’t enough power
    there to start the engine.

    That could have been caused by a defective alternator not recharging
    the battery.  BUT, you can try to charge it with a plug-in car battery
    charger or a Jump Start from another vehicle.

    Once your engine is running from a Jump Start, if it starts, then your
    alternator is suspect.

    IF your engine won’t start with a Jump Vehicle and battery cables,
    then you probably have a defective starter motor.

    So the problem is either the alternator, the starter motor, or both.

    Right now…we need a fully charged battery on your car to see if it
    starts with that.  If it doesn’t…your starter motor/solenoid is
    suspect.  That clicking noise is the throw-out solenoid of the starter
    motor -trying- to engage the flywheel, but there isn’t enough
    voltage/amps/power to get it to do that.

    2 ways to try to get this engine running:
    a) fully charge the battery in your car with a plug in battery charger
    b) try a jump from another car using jumper cables, with the other car
    reving its engine at about 1000 or more revolutions/minute ( fast idle
    ).

    If both of the above fail to start the engine, the problem is
    definitely related to your starter motor.

    If the engine starts, measure the voltage again at the battery
    terminals while the engine is running, and if you read ABOVE 14 volts
    with the engine running, after the jumper cables are pulled off and
    the car is *on its own,* then your alternator is GOOD.  Below 14 volts
    and your alternator is not doing what it is supposed to do.

    HTH

    Lg

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    >On Nov 16, 12:39 pm, Lawrence Glickman <Lawrence_Glick…@comcast.net>
    >wrote:
    >> On 16 Nov 2006 06:19:29 -0800, puffbal…@charter.net wrote:

    >> >Okay, my husband said that the battery will not hold a charge.  The
    >> >night that it died, he was able to jump it once move it and since then
    >> >it has not moved or anything.  We tried jumping again later that night,
    >> >but nothing.  So, if it is being jumped and no progress, IS IT AN
    >> >ALTERNATOR PROBLEM?  Thanks.Could be, but until we read the voltage at the battery, we won’t know.

    >> A fully charged *normal* battery will read 12.6 volts DC with the
    >> engine OFF.

    >> IF the alternator is good, with the engine running you should read
    >> something like 14.2 volts at the battery terminals.

    >> If you can’t get the vehicle started with a *jump,* that means there
    >> might be a different problem…it could be a starter issue.

    >> But first, before anything else, please read the battery voltage with
    >> the engine Off, which is all you can do anyhow at the moment, and post
    >> the voltage reading to the newsgroup here.

    >> Thank You.

    >> Lg

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